Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. Hornady Load it like Trail Boss. I bought a Ruger Alaskan in 454 Casull last year ahead of a hunt up in Wyoming. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Proof of concept with .38 first, then on to 9mm where we have to actually cycle a slide but I think Ive got that problem solved. Minnesota. These are put into a large hydraulic press and extruded into a continuous coil of wire. Thank you. Between that, some other info on other forums, Winchester's data for a lead flat point, and numbers from loaddata.com, I think I have some to start with. Winchesters 231 or WSL are also good powders for the .38 special. 594/600 at the real distances of 24 rnds at 50 yds, 24 rnds at 25 yes, and 12 rnds at 7.5 yds. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. I only wish the brass was more available locally. You are absolutely correct. Its like a pellet gun with a little noise and smoke if using black powder. And.those Hornady 158 HPs are easy to reload but I have never had one open up in a varmint of any sort. 110gr JHP! I thought the DR program was NRA, not CMP. This is not loaded 9mm ammo. I thought about trying 2.5 gr. When you could leave city limits and just about every dirt mound in sight, was a plinking range. Does anyone have experience with loading WST for 125 gr plates bullets or a place to start the research/testing? My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. YouTube has plenty of reloading channels or the Reloaders Network webpage has more info as well. in a belt holster at 4:00. So you only hang onto the primer boxes loosely? My guess would be almost identical, straight wall, not high pressure, definitely. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. The more serious concern for some loaders is that the small charges of fast-burning powder take up little room in the case, making it possible to double charge a cartridge and exceed safe pressure. Testing out some bullseye with 125 berry's bullets.. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. The key to those rounds, in spite of their paltry muzzle velocity of something like 825 feet per second out of a snubbie, is their diameter and mass: they will make significant diameter holes and penetrate respectably in attackers. As for the load ya the 158gr will probably take a little more, but your gun will tell you how much more.. Using a new 105g bullet and no one has load data for itor do they document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Pick up any current gun magazine and youll be inundated with images of sexy black rifles. Good point Len. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. )Lastly, the .38 SPL has a very large following and materials can be had readily. 357 Magnum 35,000 Im a big fan of .32 revolvers, I do think they are a superior choice for carrying and shooting than .38 is, but that doesnt mean I think .38 or .357 sucks, I just dont think theyre the best choices for a small frame revolver. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. hard cast LSWC's as a target load. 38 special was also my first cartridge to reload, and one of my greatest loves for reloading to this day. 357 LCR in 3 inch variant. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. An early Les Baer .45 knotted a group of the lead SWCs into a tight 1.3-inch group, while an M&P .45 did 1.25 inches. Eventually somebody introduced me to tungsten carbide resizing dies, after which case life became near indefinite. Thanks for the start load Power Pistol will run lower pressures for the same velocity than W-W 231. I dont miss lubing casescarbide is king! The design of this modern revolver makes the SW guns seem archaic. Do not use anything but light loads and lead bullets in these older revolvers. 110gr JHP! .38 Special - CHUCKHAWKS.COM My hand ached for a week. Nitpicking is its own reward., I believe the correct spelling is loathe . The manufacturing process of swaged bullets requires relatively soft lead for two reasons. After making a healthy pile of brass with this load, I am unlikely to ever be without a few boxes of it on standby. For me, the 32 H&R Mag is my 357 Mag, and the 32 S&W Long is my 38 SPL. My grandkids think Im pulling their leg, when I tell them about the freedoms that NIMBYs took away. You gotta try the S&W M342 Airlight TI. .38 special has got to be one of the best calibers there is . My personal loads for practice replicate my carry. You trade a little less speed for a little more mass but at snubnose velocities I really think the standard 158 grain slug gives the best penetration. The same volume of BE will weigh much more than than same volume of WST. You cannot paste images directly. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck?highlight=distinguished+++%2Bloads, Load question on Penn Bullets for Distinguished load. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. Just shows the importance of trying/checking the feel of a gun and if possible, test firing it, before you buy it. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. These are hand loads.. load data was published in Lyman 50th edition.. Instead, Ive favored things like the K and L frame Smiths (5 screw pre-model 10 and 686 in my case) and Ruger revolvers for higher round count activities. These two can cover the entire performance spectrum up to .38+P. LOL. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. : 1.475" Powder: 6.0 gr 6.9 gr Vel. Re: 38 special loads by GrumpyOldMan 11/10/2013, 4:23 pm IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. Jack it up a notch and go with .327 Federal Magnum. Different colors can be used to identify different loads and since bottom of each bullet is also powder coated, there is less lead dispersed in the air at the shooting range. I carried a lightly customized 4 inch heavy barrel model 10 for years, with a black cerakote job. .38 Special: What Ive Learned After 20,000 Rounds, Stacey Abrams Whopper: No one believes in eroding the Second Amendment, Scottsdale Home Owner Uses Shotgun to Stop Naked Home Invader Caught in His Childs Room [VIDEO], Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. Discussion: Bullseye is a faster burning powder and some people feel better suited for the .38 special. It will then fit in your 38 Special gun. This. http://www.adi-powders.com.au/handloaders-guide/equivalents.asp. June 13, 2016 in 9mm/38 Caliber. Reloading The .38 Smith & Wesson - Reload Ammo Larry Gibson "Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing." Nikola Tesla 01-30-2020, 01:43 PM #9 Mr_Flintstone Boolit Buddy Join Date Jan 2020 Location Just dont shoot a rabbit with this load if you want to be able to eat any of it. Which left me with the last two. Despite being well over one hundred years old, it still has perfect relevance for todays shooters, both novice and advanced. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. Hodgdon's Basic Reloading Manual, (The free one, available for the asking. But, with jacketed bullets that doesn't seen to be working. 38 special is a great cartridge. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:00 am, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:36 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:46 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:45 pm, byPacFltShooter Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:50 pm. I went to the grocery store to buy a loath of bread.. NULLI SECUNDUS. Just got back into reloading 38 special again after a long hiatus with no revolver, and was instantly reminded of what a joy it is to reload. Has anyone loaded 38 special with these compoments? That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. You have never indicated what barrel length or brand or frame size you may be using these in. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. Forgive me my nonsense, as I also forgive the nonsense of those that think they talk sense. I was hoping I could use this combo to make use of available components. The average street punk today has more firepower than the Russian Army did in WWII and trying to re-load a revolver in a fire fight is the best way to commit suicide that I could ever think of. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. 32 H&R Mag 21,000 I've been reading about this. 110gr JHP! https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. i had the same issues you did when i was trying to load for my DR revolver 14-3. to light of power had a soft recoil but ungodly bad accuracy. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. I have 125 grain jacketed bullets, Bullseye powder and CCI 500 primers. My M60 came w/ factory banana grips- open back, long enough for pinkie rest but too small in girth behind the trigger guard. Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Ive probably picked up 300 cases of .38 the past few months and will continue to grab them as I see them, but whats nice is I can shoot more and put that money towards brass for .32 or .45 Colt, stuff that I never see at the range. I started with a Lee Loader for my shiny new Python .357, because all the ammo I could find (in 1968) was lead semiwadcutters, loaded so hot they sloughed off the lead in the bore, so after a box you couldnt see any rifling, it looked like a smoothebore, and lord was it hard to clean!! At belly button range, very nasty load. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. Magnum 44 S&W Special 45 Colt 45 Auto 45 G.A.P 9mm Luger 9x18mm Makarov 32 S&W Long (Cowboy Action) 32-20 Win. You are being redirected - Shooters' Forum Be careful about published sources (and doubly so about internet sources), regarding maximum loads for the 38 special. 7, No. (Or so I have heard.). The flyers tend to be severe. Wes, SASS Wire rules prohibit posting specific load data on the forum, but it can be passed along via private message or email. Agree 100% since I reload and shoot it since years, lost count. L6: 1.550 inch = 39.37 mm Barrel Length : 2.0 inch = 50.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon HP38 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. Your email address will not be published. I dunno. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. That one Ill keep. Red Dot work fine for most 38 Special loads. The fast powders, W231, HP38, Bullseye would go over pressure very quickly with any slight changes, in seating depth or primer change. Ive tried full metal jacket and the Hornady Action Pistol (HAP) match hollow point in this load, and both ranged from good to great in my nines. It is always higher when powder is next to primer. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. Josh Wayner is a Michigan native, active competitor, Grand Valley State University alumni, troublemaker, and fiction author. Go figure. Many of these men had no real experience with the handgun, and we had but a few weeks to get them up to very high standards that most shooters will never reach. In my time spent with the .38, I have come to greatly appreciate it for what it is and does. RN, 158 gr. And I still think a 158 at 600 beats hell out of a 22 magnum of any stripe. The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. Both have fed 100% in a variety of pistols and have shot very well. The only way to shoot both 9mm and .38 special is to have two separate cylinders timed to the revolver. Bullseye, Unique and 2400 are products of Alliant (formerly Hercules) Powders. Just an FYI. This wire is then fed into a machine called a cold header. Recoil in that gun is less than most 45 ACP 1911s I have shot, and its still got around 500-600ft lbs of energy which is more than enough for feral hogs around the ranch back home. I use Bullseye powder but it's about the same burn rate. Help with 38 Special Load with Bullseye - The Firing Line Forums 5 are good choices. Especially if you reload. Do you folks think a start at 3.0 gr and work up from there with a 125 gr bullet would be a safe load. I can usually keep 1.5" groups with it at 25 yards if I do my part. I still think highly of the LCR but would shoot only 148 grain wadcutters in .38 Special or .32 H&R Magnums in the .327 Magnum model. Best and most realistic article about the .38 special ive found. Over 20,000 rounds, Ive found that theres rarely a wrong way to do .38 SPL. But I would only be caught dead with one in my hands if I had to use one for self defense (pun intended). I just dont like practicing with it. The 9mm Bullseye load is a good stand-in for either training or match ammo, with the velocity putting the power factor comfortably over the minimum for action sports without too much extra oomph. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. Unique or Bulseye for .38 special / .357 mag - Cast Bullet Forum I too must be older than my years (35), as I love reloading .38SPL and have a S&W 442, S&W 36, and my most recent acquisition is a S&W 19-5 that is an absolute joy to shoot. We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. .38 Special (Using Hornady Bullets) reloading data with 353 loads. 4.4 gr. That being the case, I truly NEED as much ammunition as possible and the ability to defeat soft barriers such as auto windshields, sheet metal, drywall, doors, etc. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. Hollow points are not. Cartridge : .38 Special (SAAMI)Bullet : .357, 125, FP Rainier Useable Case Capaci: 20.320 grain H2O = 1.319 cm Cartridge O.A.L. Depends on what kind of load you're after. Would .44 Special be somewhat similar to .38, in terms of ease of reloading, case life, etc.? Robert Frost. I haven't used any of those powders but I like faster powders in 38 Special like Titegroup and Clays. Winchester only published load for WST in 38 special using lead bullets if you look at the data for the 158 data the start load goes from 3.3 Gr and a max load of 3.7 Gr. Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. Speer shows 3.9 to 4.5 grains for a double end lead wadcutter but I'm thinking that may be a little strong for a plated bullet. Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. I have tested both brass and nickel-plated cases using mild loadings and have not yet worn out a case. Also, too light loads don't allow the bullet to seal the gases causing problems. The 125 Hornady XTP, a jacketed hollow point bullet that can easily handle 1500 fps velocities. *WAP is not best choice for .38 special, too slow and inconsistent. Plated bullets are to be loaded as lead bullets. I had ammo for some friends as low as 600 fps. 38 spl.s. It also shows that the loads were established using a 6" barrel, so regardless of what any published data shows, the chances of ever finding published data for the exact projectile and barrel length you are using, as well as the exact conditions you will be shooting in, would be nearly impossible. Designed in 1898, the .38 Smith & Wesson Special cartridge went on . The upside of the grainage is that the small charges mean more loaded rounds per pound of powderhelpful since Bullseye can take a while to reacquire once the container is empty. If youre recoil averse (and dont have a disability of some kind), its because you havent shot it enough. Now theres an old memory. My Reloading Manual for .38 Special has plenty of data for 125 gr JHP, and 125 gr JFP for Scot Powders/Vhitavuori, but nothing for Unique/W231/Bullseye. What are YOU shooting? I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. The only reason that my standard (everyday carry) self-defense handgun is not a .38 Special revolver is because I can conceal a semi-auto better (it isnt as fat as the cylinder on a revolver) and my semi-auto has 15 rounds of hard-hitting 180 grain bullets. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Hodgdon - 700-X: 125 gr. 3.) I guess its out of production now- I havent seen it (or heard of it) in years. Times across steel plate racks and many of my standard drills with the 200-grain SWCs rival my best easy-shooting 9mm results. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. Is it more bulky? I use 3 gr. Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. 38 Special, all bullet weights Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source 110gr JHP! I do this for my .357s but this article is about .38 Special loads. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! I always used mixed brass because it was all I had. (For those who would. I tried 10 shots of each: 2.2, 2.4, 2.5, 2.7. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. 9mm 125 gr RN Lead Cast Bullets for Reloading - Stateline Bullets Bullseye is one of the oldest smokeless pistol powders and still one of the most popular. IIRC, the NRA Action Pistol power floor is a "factor" of 125, which requires a full 1,000 fps for 125-gr bullets. Shot placement is just as important if not more. Loading the .38 Spl. & .357 Mag. - An Official Journal Of The NRA Recoil is the good kind that reminds the shooter handguns are serious tools but without eliciting a flinch. Based on this Id load some at 3.3 and 3.5 and see what you get, but Id never exceed 3.8 ever. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! If you, I took the vow not to buy any more AR-15s a couple of years ago. The Bullseye powder pushed five into two inches flat for another 1911 that is typically a four-inch gun. Haven't tried it in the Colt Officer's Model Match yet. Reloading The .38 Special - Reload Ammo They have a large selection about the hard cast loads from 90 to 170 gains. The jump straight to relatively hot GI hardball challenged many students, and failure to meet standards meant being dropped from the course. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Powder.aspx?powderid=1, I also have the Berry's 125gr plated flat point bullet and I am trying to find a min and max load with unique powder. Nickle cases look pretty but dont seem to take the number of resizings that plain brass cases do. "Berry's Superior Plated Bullets are the finest bonded copper-jacketed bullets available today.." ?. Anyone that uses a J frame S&W should seriously think about swapping grips, and finding which set works for them. Hi. Bullseye 3.2gr / 763fps --> 4.2gr / 892fps (max), Unique 4.3gr / 773fps --> 5.3gr / 944fps (max), 231 3.9gr / 733fps --> 4.8gr / 896pfs (max). Oh, I practice with it. Magtech Sport Shooting, 38 Special, 125 Grain, Full Metal Jacket, Flat, 50 Round Box 38Q I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. I will start ouy at the minimum velocity then. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. would also bridge the gap that the .38 versus .357 have in defensive loads. I picked some up from my local Scheels yesterday. Ive not had a handgun entirely reject either load, so the recipe seems to be a worthy third alongside the previous .38 and .45.
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