Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board Collectible Japanese Katanas, Japanese WWII Swords, Japanese Straight Razor, Japanese Tea Cup; Additional site navigation. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. I do share Greys sentiment though. Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Fake Type 95 Nco Swords - Nihonto Message Board this rare early solid copper handled sword, serial number 631 is all matching and it is also one of the very few known to exist that still has the original leather tassel hanger (saru-te). Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. 4x 3 Inch Rubber Casters Heavy Duty Safety Brake Wheels For Wire Shelving Rack, Lenovo IdeaPad 3 14" FHD Laptop Intel Core i7-1165G7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD, Chrome Mirror Vinyl Film Wrap Sticker Decal Stretchable Reflective Super Gloss, DEWALT DCCS620B 20V MAX Cordless Li-Ion 12 in. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Your email address will not be published. Pasted as rich text. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. Man just crazy all the fakes and how great this sight is about telling how to spot them .many thanks for posting to help us out. As above100% fakejust look at the fit on the saya throatBut yes they are getting betterBought a sword at a recent big militaria fair,actually two swordsleft them with the sellers instead of carrying them around when I came to pick them up was approached by a very polite Chinese fella who offered to buy them at a premium off meHe didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Powered by Invision Community, Sword Shows, Events, Community News and Legislation Issues, Military Swords of Imperial Japan - Ohmura San, Nihonto-Japanese Swords as Art - John Eliyas, The Token Society of GB - Scotland Branch, Nanka Token Kai - Southern California Japanese Sword Society, Japanese Sword Society of the United States, The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Sword Culture (NBSK), The Japanese Sword Society of the United States, Nederlandse Tken Vereniging - Netherlands, San Francisco Nipponto Society *caution, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2. no interest to Japanese sword collectors. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. The above items are only a general guide. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. All NCO swords were numbered. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. June 23, 2016 in Military Swords of Japan. You can post now and register later. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. A real shooter with aim. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. If there is a tang stamp (see the military sword page for examples) on the nakago, up close to the blade collar (habaki), it is a WW II era sword - these are arsenal stamps. I agree. This is pure fiction. to another sword / scabbard. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. One, they aren't in the correct range. Sold Important Japanese Ww2 Rare Early Copper Handled Type 95 Army As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. Used In good condition! Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. About eBay; Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. Let's sum up. Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. Description. The saya The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Press J to jump to the feed. Buy It Now. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. Army NCO's Sword, matching serial numbers. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. Brass hilt. Your previous content has been restored. Pre-Owned. Something went wrong. Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. military type swords are also being reproduced today. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. Overall a very nice condition WW2 Type 95 NCO Katana that will appreciate in value over the coming years. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Most swords do not . NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. I thought it would be a good idea to post a few old pictures of mine where I highlighted the considerable differences between Type 95 swords. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. And with the wrong type stamps. Non-Commissioned officers Gunto 1889 (Type 32 Gunt) I din't know why the NCO swords are asked so strong. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO swords: signs of a (bad) fake Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout Screws. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. Tokyo First Arsenal blade numbers. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. This product is available for international shipping. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. The blade must be examined in its entirety and not judged solely All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Etchings. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. I figured it might be useful to others. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Many, many Matching serial numbers 31123. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Fakes never get it right. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). You cannot paste images directly. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I need help dating this Japanese Type 32 Cavalry Saber : r/SWORDS - reddit age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. Clear editor. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The overall swords are getting better. from China swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. / full sized images available upon request. $4200. Exploring History with the National Archives Special Media Division. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. Benefits CHARITY. There is no historical documentation that ninja used swords which were of a special design or differed from those used by other Japanese of the period. This example has a matching serial number 93225 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. 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Sometimes they get irate. That is not true. Number of bids and bid amounts may be slightly out of date. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Sometimes they just forget this part. on a single criteria. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. A Nice Early Japanese Type 95 Copper Handle NCO Samurai Sword - Art Swords Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. Whether a blade is Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The serial number looks very short by the size of the painted over area - maybe too short. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the antique or of recent vintage. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! Even so, enough to fool a novice. Display as a link instead, - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. I probably say this way too much BUT to flog a dead horse, the NCOs have a ton of small variations between subcontractors and between batches themselves, so just something to keep in mind. Akunin Your link has been automatically embedded. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" ( - shin guntou) style. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. Question Regarding WWII NCO Shin-Gunto Fuchi Markings - Sword Forum WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army is signed, that it must be hand made. Something went wrong. JAPANESE SWORD IDENTIFICATION - Is it old? Is it real? 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Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. Second the Font isn't even close. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. Original Item: Only One Available. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. Upload or insert images from URL. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. The copper ferrule has three stamps . Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Ww2 Japanese Sword Identification - lanblog the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords As with most Axis arms, late war versions of the Type 95 (with wooden tsuba) and are poorly constructed in comparison to those that preceded them in the development line but as a quirk of fate are often more collectible. Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. late, now sold). The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. Early WW2 1935M (Type 95) Japanese Army NCO's Sword, Sold - Antique Swords Never use force to remove the handle.) . There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Japanese Type 95 NCO Sword. Matching Numbers. WW2 Provenance. #2302002 WWII Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto Katana Sword - Replica in WW II military mounts. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. One thing I also saw while researching is the nightmare of the number of fakes out there. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. Japanese WW2 Type 95 Army NCO Sword. Nagoya Arsenal 2nd Type Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? Could this thread please get a Fake tag? - all carved and swords. Serial number placement. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . Always check. See how many more you can pick! The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. . Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. Sorry for the bad news. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. Your previous content has been restored. sword clubs in many cities. the market. Though i think its great that the militaria collectors can help each other look out for the fakes! Identification An elite marksman. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. There's a technical term for it in Australia. Ivory has a distinctive grain. It is terrible. a "real" sword and certainly not an antique. Upload or insert images from URL. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board There are a few small nicks on the edge of the blade, but they are hard to photograph. 100 % newly made. You can post now and register later. The scabbard is painted the correct green color, and the spacing from the top to the hanging ring is the correct 3 inches. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. T95 NCO swords had copper hilts, or later, aluminum ones, never brass. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. Does the blade show a true temper line (hamon)? of no interest to Nihonto collectors other than perhaps as an example of how poorly made a blade The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Title 18, U.S. Code, Section 921(a)(16) defines antique firearms as all guns manufactured prior to 1899. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Truly disappointing. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. Short fuller. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Used. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. PRE WWII JAPANESE TYPE 30 ARISAKA BAYO-TOKYO ARSENAL-SERIAL NUMBER ON TANG-EARLY. Free shipping. Anyway, if ok, can I post some pictures to get your expert opinion on my purchase? Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are All correct! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp.